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Super Igor · Apr 06, 2009, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Cummins Turbo Diesel

If the PvXwiki build is garbage, what skills should my heros running?
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help.

Nah, its not.

This myth is spread by terrible players who dont understand what the word Optional means. Don't listen to those noobs.

Applies to Discord too, they dont know whats wrong with it (because nothing is) they just repeat after eachover.

Xenomortis · Apr 06, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34

I count a lack of BotM as a flaw.
And it used to contain Rotting Flesh, which was disgraceful

Super Igor · Apr 06, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Cummins Turbo Diesel

If the PvXwiki build is garbage, what skills should my heros running?
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help.

Nothing complicated with Discord, you just have to remember the main rule that Discordway is about spamming Discord.
Common mistake is that people forget about it and flood their bars with all the crap, triple putrid biles, barbs, vile miasma, orders, splinter, physicals with over 2 pips of energy regen don't run the AP caller. End result is that instead of killing stuff with Discord their team spends 90% of time buffing melee or spamming useless shit.
Why Discord is considered superior to Sabway? Because while having less AoE damage than Sabway it takes down any mob in a second without any real downtime between kills, so you gain huge advantage against tougher mobs like Djinn bosses. Knocklock from caller > amazingly good hero AI (yes I'm serious) reacts to their Discord being primed in seconds > *poof* boss gone before he could say "Searing Flames".

Daesu · Apr 06, 2009, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Well, it's not as bad as it used to be.

Yes the pvx discord build used to be a lot worse than it is and it was still marked "Great". Then it went through several revisions and it is now decent (thanks mostly to the community here) for casters, still sucks for melee.

Despite what Igor said, dont worry about discord spamming. You kill much faster and you have greater control, binding your heroes's discord to keys anyway. That way, you can just bring your buffs without worrying if your heroes would spam discord or not.

Paul Dawg · Apr 06, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

I already said: [barbs]. It works more reliably than [mark of pain]. Sure, a well-placed [mark of pain] on a mark who lives exactly 19.9 seconds does a lot of damage. But too often it doesn't really work as planned; remember, you're trusting your HERO to know how and when to do it. The risk with [barbs] is much lower because of the quick recharge.

I'm not saying [mark of pain] is bad; I'm just responding to someone who said you'd have to be a fool not to bring it. (Sab, from what I've read, has never been an all-out [mark of pain] fan either.)

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I would like to know what you would take in place of MoP.

Xenomortis · Apr 06, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Oh, I thought we were talking about a human player, given that it was started from here:

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Originally Posted by fb_7

Critiques/Recommendations on my Player-ran SS build. I know it sucks, but it got me Legendary Master of the North through abusing Pain inverter, Ebon sin and Consumables.
[N/Me;OAVCY8xUewSgQjcZV1N4uzuI]

Heroes are crap at hex placement, so unless you micro it, MoP will rarely produce the desired result. If you can't fit it on the bar, then don't bother bringing it.

Oh, and please stop putting the relevant quotes after your post. It can be confusing.

Super Igor · Apr 06, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Yes the pvx discord build used to be a lot worse than it is and it was still marked "Great". Then it went through several revisions and it is now decent (thanks mostly to the community here) for casters, still sucks for melee.

Despite what Igor said, dont worry about discord spamming. You kill much faster and you have greater control, binding your heroes's discord to keys anyway. That way, you can just bring your buffs without worrying if your heroes would spam discord or not.

Discordway on pvx hasn't changed since the last time I updated it, infact community there doesn't give shit about the pve section.

Also, you dont need to bind keys if your Discord works well, if your heroes refuse to use Discord your setup is bad. Buffing melee is redundant since you should run it with an AP caller for maximum effetiency. If you wan't to make use of melee hexes Sabway is much better for you.

Also, stop shitting and post your build.

Super Igor · Apr 06, 2009, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I count a lack of BotM as a flaw.
And it used to contain Rotting Flesh, which was disgraceful

You dont really need to keep your minions alive when you bomb them so BoTM is pretty redundant methinks. :/

Why the old Discord on PvX caused so much drama on Gurus is because it first had a necro suggested for a player who had all the goodies but then the necro got replaced with the generic AP Caller but nobody bothered to update the hero bars for the change so it sat there with Rotting Flesh up until I fixed it to what it is now and all the complaints have stopped.

Xenomortis · Apr 06, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

You dont really need to keep your minions alive when you bomb them so BoTM is pretty redundant methinks. :/

Yes, because entering every fight without minions is wonderful.

Shursh · Apr 06, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Mark of Pain is probably the most powerful spell in the Curses line from a PvE perspective.

Yes, it has a 20 second recharge and if, after you cast it, you don't get the desired affect, this really hurts. However, when it goes right, it can decimate the better part of a large mob. Placed correctly and used with a MM and some other physicals, no other skill comes close.
A 40/40 set sometimes helps the problem of a long recharge.

The scatter issue is rarely a problem. Mark of Pain is usually triggered so rapidly by minions and the like, that the mob suffers huge amounts of damage before their scatter instinct kicks in. Obviously this may not apply if you're not bringing a MM.

I would like to know what you would take in place of MoP.

I'd also like to add that the scatter you might see with MoP isn't always a bad thing - in a way it is like an indirect Reckless Haste since fleeing enemies don't attack.
furthermore, if place on an AP bar, it can be spammed regardless of the 20 second recharge.

Super Igor · Apr 06, 2009, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Yes, because entering every fight without minions is wonderful.

Having your MM kill himself with BoTM or running just one MM is even more wonderful.
Try running your Discord with one main MM and one/two Shambling Horrors on the other two necores, you exploit mobs faster and always have quite allot of minions left when entering next battle.

Xenomortis · Apr 06, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

I've never had an issue with a hero killing themselves with BotM, especially in battle. They're far too busy spamming Discord, I've never noticed them casting BotM (although they rarely ever cast it).
I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.

Cherng Butter · Apr 06, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

You don't need BoTM if you don't fall asleep after each encounter. Run Shambling on the non-MM's, you'll have a fun little army that will stay alive, and the /rt is there for spot heals.

What's with all the melee hate w/ respect to discordway? I find discordway miles more effective than sabway (same defense, better offense), and running Asuran Scan on an Enduring Scythe lets me spam hexes and call just as much as AP casters. Running 3 quick-activation energy attack skills w/ a speedboost lets me contribute to the spike effectively.

It's probably not as good as a player caster, but I wouldn't say it "sucks."

Daesu · Apr 06, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Having your MM kill himself with BoTM or running just one MM is even more wonderful.

That is the most ridiculous shit I have ever seen you spew. My MM has never sacrificed himself to death with BoTM before.

Following your post trend, here is my reply to you: "If your MM sucks so much that means you have a bad setup!"

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Why the old Discord on PvX caused so much drama on Gurus is because it first had a necro suggested for a player who had all the goodies but then the necro got replaced with the generic AP Caller but nobody bothered to update the hero bars for the change so it sat there with Rotting Flesh up until I fixed it to what it is now and all the complaints have stopped.

Face it, the old pvx discord just sucks crap even more and you were still happily bragging here to everyone that it was your build, I nearly laughed my socks off when I saw your posts back then.

All the complaints have not stopped, you just shut your ears and refuses to listen to any of them that's all.

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Buffing melee is redundant since you should run it with an AP caller for maximum effetiency.

[Asuran Scan] says hi!

Cummins Turbo Diesel · Apr 07, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

I just changed my build to the AP shown on PvX, Wow it works even better now. I kill stuff even faster now.
I kind of like all 3 of my heros making minions. So far the build on PvX is working great.

legacyofkain85 · Apr 07, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

for most of mi vanquishing ,when i did it with mi warrior i just used necros with discords,1 curses discord,1 resto discord and 1 mm discord.So for your 3rd necro how about something for support ,either more dmg or more healing/prot, some people already sugested a roj monk.

Super Igor · Apr 07, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I've never had an issue with a hero killing themselves with BotM, especially in battle. They're far too busy spamming Discord, I've never noticed them casting BotM (although they rarely ever cast it).
I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.

You misunderstood my post read it again.
You won't have any problem with BoTM with a single MM when you have more than 10 minions however, it is troublesome because the sac is large and they spam it inside battle. They won't "kill themselves" because Anet said to fix their AI with that but I see no reason to run a spell you dont need that will remove 25%+ of their hp mid-battle.
What I'm saying in my post is that I hate running single MM with Discord. You get more corpses availible than a single MM can cope with, that means that you spend time outside battle, and one of your heroes has to spend less time using Discord. If you run more than one MM BoTM's sac becomes too large and it's not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

You don't need BoTM if you don't fall asleep after each encounter. Run Shambling on the non-MM's, you'll have a fun little army that will stay alive, and the /rt is there for spot heals.

that.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That is the most ridiculous shit I have ever seen you spew. My MM has never sacrificed himself to death with BoTM before.

Following your post trend, here is my reply to you: "If your MM sucks so much that means you have a bad setup!"

Daesu learn to read ok?

But if you run BoTM with a minion bomber, you fail.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Face it, the old pvx discord just sucks crap even more and you were still happily bragging here to everyone that it was your build, I nearly laughed my socks off when I saw your posts back then. All the complaints have not stopped, you just shut your ears and refuses to listen to any of them that's all.

LOL
Face another one of your lies?
Old pvx build wasn't my build. I wasn't happy about the article like the rest thats why I fixed it, rest of pvx didn't give shit and guru just kept fighting with each other anyway. It is easy enough to see date of revisions on the wiki and compare them to when the complaint threads have been opened and you will see that they were opened before I fixed the old Discord. So just quit making things up.

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[asuran scan] says hi!

Be less of a fanboy?

[asuran scan] has longer downtime and doesn't apply a condition. Your best option to apply a condition to somewhat match the AP caller is [you move like a dwarf!] because of the speed and range but it also has a long downtime without AP for Discordway standards.
You might argue that it is better for Warriors but thats just one prof and I dont like how wars perform with Discord in the first place same goes for Paras.

Also, post your build.

Daesu · Apr 07, 2009, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

But if you run BoTM with a minion bomber, you fail.

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.

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[asuran scan] has longer downtime and doesn't apply a condition. Your best option to apply a condition to somewhat match the AP caller is [you move like a dwarf!] because of the speed and range but it also has a long downtime without AP for Discordway standards.

Who cares about the 10s downtime? There are so many skills to inflict conditions other than YMLAD. Look harder.

It just seems silly that you would complain warriors can't use discordway well because they can't apply a condition.

Super Igor · Apr 07, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Daesu

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Who cares about the 10s downtime? There are so many skills to inflict conditions other than YMLAD. Look harder.

It just seems silly that you would complain warriors can't use discordway well because they can't apply a condition.

Name a condition-inflicting skill that is ranged, non-elite, instant, can kd and deals armor ignoring damage.

How does a comment about minion wall relate to priming Discord?

Also, post you build.

Daesu · Apr 07, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Name a condition-inflicting skill that is ranged, non-elite, instant, can kd and deals armor ignoring damage.

Lol taking the exact skill description from YMLAD?

If you have made up your mind to use it, go ahead.

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How does a comment about minion wall relate to priming Discord?

Duh...it is a comment about BoTM.